On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 01:59:50 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>> The facts are what matter, at least to adults:
>> 1. Apple installs "throttling software" after "about a year" for iPhones
>
> That is false.
Hi Alan Baker,
As usual, apologists provide literally ZERO cites for their beliefs,
o While (yes, I waste my time), I, as an adult, provide actual facts.
What adults say & do, is different from what apologists say & do.
o Adults say logical things when confronted with facts.
o Adults do logical things when people question those facts.
Apologist neither comprehend fact, & apologists brazenly deny facts
o Without ever bothering to even _look_ up the facts in the first place
o Brazenly denying facts, out of hand, sans a shred of reliable evidence.
Which is EXACTLY what you just did, Alan Baker.
FACTS:
o Gizmodo: Apple Just Can't Stop Throttling iPhones
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https://gizmodo.com/apple-just-cant-stop-throttling-iphones-1830124291>
"The tricky thing is that Apple never stopped throttling the
processors ...It just got caught doing it, and then issued an update to iOS
that gave people access to more information ... Apple also responded to
Senator Thune detailing these software updates and claiming that 'iPhone 8,
iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X models include hardware updates that allow a
more advanced performance management system that more precisely allows iOS
to anticipate and avoid an unexpected shutdown.' Apple didnˇt explicitly
say that newer devices wouldn't get throttled."
"Perhaps as a result, the processor-throttling detail is sort of buried
in the release notes for iOS 12.1. Near the bottom of a long list and under
the header "Other improvements and fixes," the document reads:
Adds a performance management feature to prevent the device
from unexpectedly shutting down, including the option to
disable this feature if an unexpected shutdown occurs,
for iPhone X, iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus."
>> 2. Apple actually throttles the phones, after "about a year" of battery use
>
> As is this.
Alan Browne,
An adult does two things you apologists don't seem to do all that much
o Adults comprehend basic facts
o Adults don't brazenly deny basic facts (that are easily proven)
Apologist do both:
a. Apologists don't seem to comprehend even the most basic of facts
b. Worse, apologists brazenly deny facts even those Apple admitted
o Apple Faces Yet Another Class Action Lawsuit Over 'Secretly Throttling'
Older iPhones
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https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/01/iphone-throttling-lawsuit/>
"Apple introduced the performance management system in iOS 10.2.1, but it
did not initially mention the change in the update's release notes.
Likewise, in a statement issued a month later, Apple still only mentioned
vague "improvements" resulting in a significant reduction in unexpected
iPhone shutdowns."
"Apple only revealed exactly what the so-called "improvements" were after
Primate Labs founder John Poole visualized that some iPhone 6s and iPhone 7
devices suddenly had lower benchmark scores starting with iOS 10.2.1 and
iOS 11.2 respectively, despite operating at maximum performance on previous
versions."
>> That's not a hard and fast rule, in so much that even Apple will claim:
>> o "throttling software isn't _as_ necessary" on the newer iPhone variants
>>
>> But the MAIN ADULT TAKEAWAY from this thread is the PREDICTION that
>> o Apple will add throttling software for the iPhone XR, Max, & XS (soon).
>
> Nope. Batteries will age and if they run down too low, the software that
> is already installed will throttle the CPU.
This is another place you apologists are not like normal adults.
o You BELIEVE the utter bullshit that Apple marketing cleverly spews
FACTS:
Only Apple iPhones, not iPads, (and only iPhones after the 6!) seem to
require secret, permanent, and utterly drastic CPU degradation software
(don't forget it's often HALF THE CPU speed for Christ' sake).
FACT:
You apologists blame anyone but Apple for the fact that Apple secretly
introduces permanent and utterly drastic CPU throttling, without telling
ANYONE, and essentially lying to Congress after they got caught, and lying
to everyone about telling them (where they changed the release notes AFTER
THE FACT for heaven's sake).
FACT:
It's a basic trait of you apologists to blame everything & everyone but
Apple for Apple's marketing decisions, where all the iPhones after the
iPhone 6 (including the latest iPhone 11 for Christ sake!) series, has some
sort of throttling that REDUCES performance (via an iOS update AFTER the
initial release).
>>
>> Bearing in mind most (if not all) my predictions have come to fruition,
>> o My credibility on comprehension of facts, you have to admit, is 100%
>
> Nope. He doesn't. Because it isn't.
Hehhehheh... look at this TheVerge article I just found for nospam:
o The iPhone XS and XR will get processor throttling feature with iOS 13.1
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https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/20/20875708/apple-processor-throttling-iphone-xs-xr-ios-13-1>
Since I'm an adult, with adult cognitive skills, I'll _wait_ to see
reliable reports backing up what TheVerge said - but - it's proof yet again
that reasonable adults can easily find cites that back up their view.
Apologists tend to only find Apple marketing that backs up their view.
o Which is kind of funny when you think about it that way
>> For example, just look at the idiocy apologists spewed about Qualcomm
>> o Apple literally gave away their shirt, to settle with them
>
> No, they did not.
Hi Alan Baker,
You're an apologist, and you are one of whom I was talking about.
So for you to brazenly deny what you did, is pretty much the canonical act
of an apologist.
o Apple may have paid something like two and a half to three and a half
billion USD to Qualcomm (which is going to be paid by the poor Apple
consumer)
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/wuNSobnMdCU>
But you're not the only apologist who brazenly denies similar facts
o Qualcomm seeks $31 million from Apple ($1.41 per iPhone with Intel radio
chips) for 3 patent infringements in half the iPhones sold
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/-u600QXp0Js>
>
>> o Where the apologists insisted that Apple "wasn't worried".
>>
>> Another example is the fact that iOS is an untested scheduled release
>
> Also false.
Alan Baker,
Yet, again, you apologists consistently prove out two maxims:
1. You can't comprehend even the most basic of simple facts
2. You brazenly deny them anyway - sans a single reference cite
Here's where adults ASSESS facts, Alan Baker
o The assessment of facts clearly shows iOS is not sufficiently tested
FACTS:
o Google exposed that Apple advertises the mere illusion of iOS security.
o Apple does not test iOS sufficiently for security holes.
"The root causes [in numerous Apple iOS security holes] are not novel
... we see cases of [iOS] code which seems to have never worked, [iOS] code
that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing or review before [iOS
was] shipped to users."
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https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
"TAG was able to collect five separate, complete and unique iPhone
exploit chains, covering almost every version from iOS 10 through to the
latest version of iOS 12."
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https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
Apple does not (& can not) dispute ANY of the facts of the vulnerabilities!
o Nor that Google proved Apple does not test iOS diarrhea sufficiently!
"Also missing from Apple's statement is any response to the blistering
criticism the Project Zero report made of Apple development process,
which the report alleges missed vulnerabilities that in many cases should
have been easy to catch with standard quality-assurance processes."
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https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/apple-takes-flak-for-disputing-ios-security-bombshell-dropped-by-google/>
There are SO MANY FACTS LIKE THIS, Alan, which adults can assess:
o Google Project Zero reveals six ¨interactionless〃 bugs that can affect
iOS via Appleˇs iMessage
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https://hub.packtpub.com/google-project-zero-reveals-six-interactionless-bugs-that-can-affect-ios-via-apples-imessage/>
Facts, that iOS us insufficiently tested which even Apple did NOT dispute
o Apple simply didn't like the "way" Google said their facts.
o Apple accuses Google of 'stoking fear' over iPhone security issues
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https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/6/20853115/apple-google-iphone-security-flaw-uighur-community-fud>
Adults can easily find reliable sites agreeing with their viewpoint
o The stakes are too high for Apple to spin the iPhone exploits
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https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/6/20853393/apple-iphone-ios-exploits-statement-security-google-false-impressions>
Yet, apologists, can only find APPLE MARKETING agreeing with them!
o Cleverly calling all 14 exploits a single memory corruption issue
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https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209520>
While adults can find plenty of cites that back up their assessment
o Apple statement alienates the security community when the company needs
it most.
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https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/apple-takes-flak-for-disputing-ios-security-bombshell-dropped-by-google/>
>> o Where MANY FACTS prove Apple cares far more about schedule
>> o Than about quality, security, or privacy
>
> Assertions: not facts.
Alan Baker,
You can deny the fact that iOS is insufficiently untested.
o Yet, the facts PROVE that, beyond any doubts from adults
The only people who AGREE with you, Alan Baker, are
o Apologists
o Apple Marketing
Nobody else agrees with your assertion, Alan Baker.
o Nobody.
Yet we all agree that Apple ships iOS on schedule.
o Even when it contained Broadcom bugs so huge Apple had to DESTROY the
release only ten days after millions of people installed it.
Those are facts, Alan Baker.
o Apple had the fix in hand
o And yet, they STILL shipped the release, on schedule
o Begging people to upgrade to the fixes only 10 days later
o And DESTGROYING th release so that it no longer existed.
You can dispute those facts until the cows come home, Alan Baker
o But the fact apologists hate facts doesn't change the fact they're facts.
>> HINT: Google proved iOS was untested for YEARS, which Apple couldn't deny.
>
> Nope. Google didn't prove anything of the kind.
Jesus Christ, you apologists are like children.
FACTS:
"Also missing from Apple's statement is any response to the blistering
criticism the Project Zero report made of Apple's development process,
which the report alleges missed vulnerabilities that in many cases should
have been easy to catch with standard quality-assurance processes."
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https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/apple-takes-flak-for-disputing-ios-security-bombshell-dropped-by-google/>
>> WORSE: I've been proving that for years - with simple facts.
>> Which only the apologists attempt to brazenly deny.
>>
>> Simply mark my words that I can COMPREHEND the facts
>> o Such as the fact Tim Cook said that he was going to try to "hide" the
>> price of the iPhone from the customers ...
>
> Quote and cite please.
I love that the apologists brazenly dispute facts that are well known!
o Apologists brazenly dispute any fact they simply don't like.
But the fact apologists hate facts doesn't change the fact they're facts!
o *Anyone can hack into MacOS High Sierra simply by typing "root"!*
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https://www.wired.com/story/macos-high-sierra-hack-root/>
o *Making sense of the many Apple security flaws*
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https://www.wired.com/story/apples-security-macos-high-sierra-ios-11/>
o *An astounding list of security vulnerabilities found in Apple software*
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https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2017/5/15/the-may-2017-apple-security-update-review>
o *Apple Was Slow to Act on FaceTime Bug That Allows Spying on iPhones*
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/technology/facetime-glitch-apple.html>
*o New Mac Malware steals iPhone text messages from iTunes backups*
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https://www.hackread.com/mac-malware-steals-iphone-text-messages-from-itunes-backups/>
o *Easter Attack Affects Half a Billion Apple iOS Users via Chrome Bug*
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https://threatpost.com/easter-attack-apple-ios/143901/>
etc.
>
>> And then I can predict the future based on the prior actions of Apple.
>>
>> Mark my words:
>> o I predict Apple will add throttling software to the iPhone XS, Max, & XR
>
> And you're already wrong.
Hehhehheh...
What I love is how apologigist call everything they don't like, "wrong"...
And yet, adults easily find these supporting cites Apologists can't find!
o The iPhone XS and XR will get processor throttling feature with iOS 13.1
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https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/20/20875708/apple-processor-throttling-iphone-xs-xr-ios-13-1>
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What's amazing is that apologists are wholly unlike normal adults.
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple
Apologists on this newsgroup?
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM>